I'm thinking about making a thing called the Data Liberation Society (For People Who Are Tired Of Not Talking About Revolution).
In particular we will focus on actionable things we, dreamers, software developers, data scientists, concerned humans, can do to lay the foundation for revolution and the world to come after revolution.
I'm tired of not talking about revolution.
I'm tired of talking about diversity problems without explicitly also talking about dismantling (through revolution) the systems of oppression that are at the root of the problems.
I'm tired of talking about ethics in tech without talking about the inherently unethical economic framework that tech shapes and participates in.
I'm tired of being a commodity of big data capitalists.
Are you also tired?
@egrasmed so tired
@egrasmed I'm have a question about the topic. Is there any literature on avoiding the situation where "revolution devours its own children", in particular, taking control of the systems of oppression for its own gains instead of properly dismantling and destroying them? To me, that seems like the biggest risk associated with a revolution - a simple exchange of the people "above", unnoticed or even applauded by the rest.
@phoe I advocate for an anarchist revolution without a transitional period, provisional government, etc. There isn't supposed to be an "above".
Peter Kropotkin's The Conquest of Bread would be a good place to start.
@egrasmed Thanks, I'll take a look at it.
@pfm I believe that as long as capitalist production continues, no amount of education or selflessness of the masses will make a meaningful, lasting difference. (Because the masses are victims, not perpetrators of the problems.)
On top of that, I believe that states and capitalists are incentivized and enabled to use greed and ego to keep the masses in fearful ignorance.
I'm not convinced that revolution is feasible, but I am convinced I'm morally obligated to advocate for it.
@pfm This is an interesting thought experiment. Maybe we could create a society that discourages and shames greed and controlling behavior. Even if that is possible, though, I'm not particularly comfortable with positions of power that enable exploitation.
In my economics classes in grad school, we talked about the "benevolent dictator" and how actually economies would certifiably be better off if the right person were given full control over a government...
@pfm I don't think I like the idea of benevolent dictators any more than benevolent capitalists.
I'm still trying to imagine what a world of benevolent consumers would look like, but I think your thought experiment would evolve into the revolution I'm talking about! (No capitalists or governments exploiting the poorer of the world and, instead, mutual aid and support.)
I think we agree on a lot of things, and I'm happy to have you as a comrade
@egrasmed Yes, please!
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